Boycott Foos - Wga Strike Scabs!!!

[Mattye711]

The Foo Fighters announced earlier this week they'd cross WGA picket lines to perform at the Grammys on February 10.

This is REALLY LAME. The writers are in a very serious situation and all artists should respect each other in times like these.

ANYONE who crosses a WGA picket line is a DOUCHEBAG.

Hey Dave & Co. - You guys should reconsider and not play at the Grammys. Perform a benefit concert for the striking writers instead.

[Sooze2]

Err....first posting? Did you only join to tell us this? :p I think I have read this somewhere already. WHAT is that supposed to mean anyway? Crossing WGA picket lines:confused: Stupid foreigner here....:p

[trent22o]

I don't understand what the WGA has to do with the music industry.. I can see why they cancelled the golden globes but if they screw the grammy's over.. that's just a bit much.

[Timotheus]

Err....first posting? Did you only join to tell us this? :p I think I have read this somewhere already. WHAT is that supposed to mean anyway? Crossing WGA picket lines:confused: Stupid foreigner here....:p

Writers Guild of America.

basically most live shows were canceled because the writers are on strike, including the golden globes, but apparently the grammys are still going on so the writers are picketing the grammys.

something along those lines

[Studmore]

I'm not American so don't fully understand this, so apologies if i'm missing something.

But from what i can see, they usually write the script/gags for these awards shows, but they obviously won't be for this since they are on strike. So i guess the awards will go on without them writing.

Now i'm all for people striking for a good reason, and i do think writers are underpromoted, but what right do they have to stop this going ahead without them writing?

[Sooze2]

Hey Dave & Co. - You guys should reconsider and not play at the Grammys. Perform a benefit concert for the striking writers instead.
Naw they need to play so I can watch them on television as it will be broadcasted live on German television. :D Why should they play a benefit concert for the striking writers? They write their own songs......:p

[Timotheus]

I'm not American so don't fully understand this, so apologies if i'm missing something.

But from what i can see, they usually write the script/gags for these awards shows, but they obviously won't be for this since they are on strike. So i guess the awards will go on without them writing.

Now i'm all for people striking for a good reason, and i do think writers are underpromoted, but what right do they have to stop this going ahead without them writing?

the writers want to be compensated for the dvd sales and stuff like that for the shows that they work for, because currently they aren't getting anything. it's a fair strike, imo.

[Leecy*]

See... this kind of person feels they can come in and tell Foo Fighters how to handle their career and what they should do but they're probably the exact kind of person that would get pissed off if FF supported a presidential candidate.. "Don't tell me how to vote!"

[Sooze2]

Writers Guild of America.

basically most live shows were canceled because the writers are on strike, including the golden globes, but apparently the grammys are still going on so the writers are picketing the grammys.

something along those lines
Ok I knew about this writers guild strike but did not really pay that much attention....

[Grace]

I'll admit that I don't fully understand everything the writers are striking about, because I haven't really paid attention tbh.. but I've heard enough to get that they are striking for a good reason. But I don't have a problem with the award shows going ahead without writers writing any jokes or whatever.. the jokes and stuff usually aren't that good anyway imo and they just prolong the show. Let the Foos perform and hopefully go home with an arm full of Grammys and I'll be happy :D
It would really suck if they cancelled the Grammys and did some stupid bullshit press conference thing like they did for the Golden Globes.

[Studmore]

the writers want to be compensated for the dvd sales and stuff like that for the shows that they work for, because currently they aren't getting anything. it's a fair strike, imo.

Oh yes i do agree with that, they are underpaid, but why should they stop this event going ahead?

[Sooze2]

Writers Guild of America.

but apparently the grammys are still going on so the writers are picketing the grammys.

something along those lines
I understand now....I had to look up the word *picketing*. :D You know we don't need the writers to write anything for the celebrities. They better keep their mouths shut anyway lololol......:p

[O.B.gene]

This is REALLY LAME. The writers are in a very serious situation and all artists should respect each other in times like these.

its uncool (and ironic) to use their own material to abuse them. :(

[Timotheus]

Oh yes i do agree with that, they are underpaid, but why should they stop this event going ahead?

i don't think they want to stop it really, but just make the network and the people realize that they aren't going to give up easily, and the grammys might as well be the best time to do it.

also, the foo's held a contest for people to play with them at the grammys, so for them to back out at this point would ruin a great opportunity for the winners.

[veronica77]

The Foo Fighters announced earlier this week they'd cross WGA picket lines to perform at the Grammys on February 10.

This is REALLY LAME. The writers are in a very serious situation and all artists should respect each other in times like these.

ANYONE who crosses a WGA picket line is a DOUCHEBAG.

Hey Dave & Co. - You guys should reconsider and not play at the Grammys. Perform a benefit concert for the striking writers instead.

Don't tell me what to do !!!!
:mad:

[Timotheus]

I understand now....I had to look up the word *picketing*. :D You know we don't need the writers to write anything for the celebrities. They better keep their mouths shut anyway lololol......:p

most celebrities do need to be told what to say unfortunately. luckily the foo's can pull it out of their asses at any point

[Mattye711]

Any artist who crosses a picket line is complicit.

If the Foos were supporting a presidential candidate, that's one thing. I'm not opposed to artists expressing their opinions.

But I am opposed to artists cashing in at the suffering fates of other artists.

Plain and simple - The Foo Fighters and Beyonce (who also is crossing the line) are selling out and undermining a very important cause.

[DonnaInVA]

If acting were the bands first profession you might have a leg to stand on. They aren't actors, they are singer and they won't be saying anyone else's lines anyway--they will be singing.
Get over yourself Jimmy Hoffa.

Writers on awards show is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned--oh, and they have nothing but horribly written jokes that everyone is embarrassed to read out loud.

[Timotheus]

Any artist who crosses a picket line is complicit.

If the Foos were supporting a presidential candidate, that's one thing. I'm not opposed to artists expressing their opinions.

But I am opposed to artists cashing in at the suffering fates of other artists.

Plain and simple - The Foo Fighters and Beyonce (who also is crossing the line) are selling out and undermining a very important cause.

just because they are playing doesn't mean they don't support the writers. Not EVERY artist has to express their beliefs in such a way.

[Studmore]

Any artist who crosses a picket line is complicit.

If the Foos were supporting a presidential candidate, that's one thing. I'm not opposed to artists expressing their opinions.

But I am opposed to artists cashing in at the suffering fates of other artists.

Plain and simple - The Foo Fighters and Beyonce (who also is crossing the line) are selling out and undermining a very important cause.

How are the FF cashing in? The writers have NOTHING to do with them. I can imagine you bitching about the presenters of the awards or whatever, but the writers don't do anything for FF, so what do they owe the writers?

[Grace]

If acting were the bands first profession you might have a leg to stand on. They aren't actors, they are singer and they won't be saying anyone else's lines anyway--they will be singing.
Yes... exactly. They don't rely on the writers to write something for them to say. The Foos write their own songs.

[Mattye711]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter. They're doing that contest thing where people will be playing in an "orchestra" with them.

The fact that they are musicians and not actors has nothing to do with it. Actors, writers, musicians, directors, announcers, etc. are all part of a wide variety of unions which support one another.

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.

While I agree that most awards shows writing is woefully bad, it is still an *essential* ingredient of producing the programs. NO ONE (sorry if this blows minds) goes on television without reading lines written for them. Even talk show interviews are rehearsed backstage ahead of time. There's no improvisation involved.

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.

[Timotheus]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter. They're doing that contest thing where people will be playing in an "orchestra" with them.

The fact that they are musicians and not actors has nothing to do with it. Actors, writers, musicians, directors, announcers, etc. are all part of a wide variety of unions which support one another.

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.

While I agree that most awards shows writing is woefully bad, it is still an *essential* ingredient of producing the programs. NO ONE (sorry if this blows minds) goes on television without reading lines written for them. Even talk show interviews are rehearsed backstage ahead of time. There's no improvisation involved.

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.

the foo's don't HAVE to support them. get that through your head. that's like saying your an evil person if you don't support the war in Iraq.

see, this is how famous people go downhill. they try to make a stance, fuck themselves over and end up in the gutter. some celebrities try and stay away from the problems that don't involve them, as they don't want to be associated with them. it's not wrong, it's just their choice.

[Sooze2]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter. They're doing that contest thing where people will be playing in an "orchestra" with them.

The fact that they are musicians and not actors has nothing to do with it. Actors, writers, musicians, directors, announcers, etc. are all part of a wide variety of unions which support one another.

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.

While I agree that most awards shows writing is woefully bad, it is still an *essential* ingredient of producing the programs. NO ONE (sorry if this blows minds) goes on television without reading lines written for them. Even talk show interviews are rehearsed backstage ahead of time. There's no improvisation involved.

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.
What do you want?

[Studmore]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter. They're doing that contest thing where people will be playing in an "orchestra" with them.

The fact that they are musicians and not actors has nothing to do with it. Actors, writers, musicians, directors, announcers, etc. are all part of a wide variety of unions which support one another.

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.

While I agree that most awards shows writing is woefully bad, it is still an *essential* ingredient of producing the programs. NO ONE (sorry if this blows minds) goes on television without reading lines written for them. Even talk show interviews are rehearsed backstage ahead of time. There's no improvisation involved.

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.

Theres the keyline. Have ASKED. not TOLD members to boycott.

And so what if someone writes something on an autocue for them to read for 30 seconds. It's not a fucking 3 hour drama is it?

[Sooze2]

most celebrities do need to be told what to say unfortunately. Yeah I know but this is hilarious.....:D

[Leecy*]

How are the FF cashing in? The writers have NOTHING to do with them. I can imagine you bitching about the presenters of the awards or whatever, but the writers don't do anything for FF, so what do they owe the writers?

exactly. Plus, around here, we'd much rather see Dave do his own comedy rather than rely on writers.

:p

[Leecy*]

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.

yes, but we love them anyway.

[veronica77]

Well I respect You opinion , even thou I do not agree with You . I don't know whats your point here .
I will still be listening to Foo Fighters , no matter what you say and I will still be watching the grammys and that just because Foo Fighters are performing.

Thank You and Fuck off !!

[DonnaInVA]

What do you want?

that made me laugh!

People are crossing the line every day to be on Leno and the rest of the shows that came back without WGA writers.

Oh, did I mention that I don't care. I'll be watching the Grammy's
period

[Hell O' Kitty]

Oh fucking boo hoo. Really, get over yourself.

This is an award show. They have worked really hard to get there so why the fuck should they not enjoy the fruits of there labor, just because another profession is on strike. Its not like this argument has anything to do with them.

[Mattye711]

Dave Grohl has never uttered a comedic word on camera that wasn't written for him. You think he ad-libbed his appearance in the Tenacious D movie?

The Foo Fighters have always been about supporting the little guy. Not anymore.

If the band's fans suggested what they're doing by crossing a picket line -- any picket line -- was wrong, the band might reconsider.

Musicians should be sensitive to the plights of other artists. Its not as though the Foo Fighters need the money to appear on the Grammys. But the writers do deserve the money made on DVD and internet sales of their creative work.

[Sooze2]

that made me laugh!

People are crossing the line every day to be on Leno and the rest of the shows that came back without WGA writers.

Oh, did I mention that I don't care. I'll be watching the Grammy's
period
Yeah well....;) you and me know exactly what he/she/it wants......:p but he/she/it can kiss my ass.......
Yeah I'll be watching the Grammy's also. :D

[Grace]

If the band's fans suggested what they're going by crossing a picket line -- any picket line -- was wrong, the band might reconsider.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe we don't want them to reconsider.... we WANT to see them on the Grammys

[LotharoftheHillPeople]

Go Foo Fighters, play your music. The writers are upset because they don't get paid for their stuff being put on the internet like everybody else does, which is rightfully so. That doesn't mean Foo Fighters can't perform, they get their pay from where ever and get their credit. There's a line between sticking up for fellow artists and lively hood.

[Munki Wrench]

the writers are selfish people- they dont give a shit about the amount of people who are out of money because of their ridiculous strike. All the famous ones can back them up because they have the money to live off but everyone from makeup artists to technical crews dont.

And yes the foos write their own songs and they can go wherever the hell they want.

[Kelly]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter.

If they will be reading off a teleprompter, who will have written what they read? Surely whoever composes what the Foos read out will be the scab...

[Mattye711]

I want to see them on the Grammys too, but not at the expense of striking labor.

I actually love the Foos' music, but I can't in good conscience buy their products or support them when they jeopardize the livelihood of thousands of people.

[Leecy*]

Dave Grohl has never uttered a comedic word on camera that wasn't written for him.


You really know nothing.

[Munki Wrench]

I want to see them on the Grammys too, but not at the expense of striking labor.

I actually love the Foos' music, but I can't in good conscience buy their products or support them when they jeopardize the livelihood of thousands of people.

the people who are striking are the ones jeopardizing their livelihoods.

[mishkat]

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.



Oh come on. Dave's main gig is music, not acting. And the band has other priorities and obligations that extend beyond buttressing the already overwhelming support for this strike. They are going there to play, not talk.

The question is:
Why aren't you picketing or doing something more useful to your cause instead of harassing a bunch of rock fans on a flippin message board hmmm?

[Mattye711]

the writers are selfish people- they dont give a shit about the amount of people who are out of money because of their ridiculous strike.
__________________
~ Jennifer (hello)

JENNIFER,
You're obviously an idiot or a child, so let me explain something to you. The writers are not selfish people. Their strike is not ridiculous.

They are being totally screwed out of royalties by networks and producers who are making vast amounts of money off DVD rentals/sales and internet downloads/iTunes.

The majority of Writer's Guild of America membership makes less than $40,000 a year. It is only the top 2% who make hundreds of thousands or millions.

So, um, go fuck yourself.

[DonnaInVA]

Dave Grohl has never uttered a comedic word on camera that wasn't written for him.
run that by me again?


I actually love the Foos' music, but I can't in good conscience buy their products or support them when they jeopardize the livelihood of thousands of people.
overly dramatic much?

[mishkat]

the people who are striking are the ones jeopardizing their livelihoods.

Um. . .that's not a wise statement to make. It is the writers' right and in this case, obligation to strike in order to bolster their livelihoods, in light of the exceedingly unfair sharing of profits from their work.

[Mattye711]

run that by me again?

overly dramatic much?

Maybe you'd do better in life if you thought on a more dramatic scale.

Go Buckeyes.

[Leecy*]

Maybe you'd do better in life if you thought on a more dramatic scale.

Go Buckeyes.

How do you know for a fact that she doesn't do better in life than you..?

[Munki Wrench]

the writers are selfish people- they dont give a shit about the amount of people who are out of money because of their ridiculous strike.
__________________
~ Jennifer (hello)

JENNIFER,
You're obviously an idiot or a child, so let me explain something to you. The writers are not selfish people. Their strike is not ridiculous.

They are being totally screwed out of royalties by networks and producers who are making vast amounts of money off DVD rentals/sales and internet downloads/iTunes.

The majority of Writer's Guild of America membership makes less than $40,000 a year. It is only the top 2% who make hundreds of thousands or millions.

So, um, go fuck yourself.

Actually, I am an actor and I know damn well what I'm talking about. The business is a cruel one and getting screwed is part of the job. I'm not saying what has happened to them is fair but clearly there is a better way to go about this including the word COMPROMISE. Question: I'm a member of equity who goes through the contracts with me to make sure no loopholes are found to rip me off out of royalties- why hasnt the wga done this?? Because to me it seems they obviously havent/

And quite frankly, I dont see why you've decided to become the freedom fighter for the writers on a foo board. If you really give a shit why dont you get down to the picket line???

So yeah um, go fuck yourself.

(I dont think I'm really the child here darling)

[Timotheus]

Maybe you'd do better in life if you thought on a more dramatic scale.

Go Buckeyes.

the foo's have no reason to worry about the writers. im sure they feel for them, but it's not their problem.

[Captain Fox]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter. They're doing that contest thing where people will be playing in an "orchestra" with them.

The fact that they are musicians and not actors has nothing to do with it. Actors, writers, musicians, directors, announcers, etc. are all part of a wide variety of unions which support one another.

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.

While I agree that most awards shows writing is woefully bad, it is still an *essential* ingredient of producing the programs. NO ONE (sorry if this blows minds) goes on television without reading lines written for them. Even talk show interviews are rehearsed backstage ahead of time. There's no improvisation involved.

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.

SO you would like to put a talented lucky musician out of a gig to play along with the Foo Fighters?

That's a stupid thing to say!

And it's not like they are going to be reading a telprompter to their own show and announcing who the winner is doesn't take writers to put it on an autocue, dave and the guys aren't dumb.

Anyway stop whinging.

[Captain Fox]

the writers are selfish people- they dont give a shit about the amount of people who are out of money because of their ridiculous strike.
__________________
~ Jennifer (hello)

JENNIFER,
You're obviously an idiot or a child, so let me explain something to you. The writers are not selfish people. Their strike is not ridiculous.

They are being totally screwed out of royalties by networks and producers who are making vast amounts of money off DVD rentals/sales and internet downloads/iTunes.

The majority of Writer's Guild of America membership makes less than $40,000 a year. It is only the top 2% who make hundreds of thousands or millions.

So, um, go fuck yourself.

Are you a writer yourself then?

Stop being a douchebag.

[Red Hot Foo Fighter]

exactly. Plus, around here, we'd much rather see Dave do his own comedy rather than rely on writers.

:p


lol yeah, the ones that are written suck anyways.

So yeah...I'm just gonna watch the grammy's so I can see the Foos :cool:

[Casino King]

The boycott's already started. I had a couple lines on tickets to see them in Orlando last night, and I passed. If they can't come to Tampa, fuck them, they're not getting my money. They've been here like one time in the last ten years. Utterly ridiculous.

And yeah, they're scabs.

[Munki Wrench]

Um. . .that's not a wise statement to make. It is the writers' right and in this case, obligation to strike in order to bolster their livelihoods, in light of the exceedingly unfair sharing of profits from their work.

if they bolster their livelihoods then I'm all for it, I dont think what has happened to them is fair, but why hasnt anything been done before now? this has clearly gone on for many years, no so much with itunes, but with the dvd rentals.

Dont get me wrong I hope they all get the royalties back but what are the chances that theyl get all of it back?

[mih paese]

Why should they play a benefit concert for the striking writers? They write their own songs......:p

I agreed.

Ok, is fair what writers is doing, they needs money too. But what the f* music has about this shit? Because they have soundtracks? And so what??? Foo Fighters has nothing with this...

This is lame. Not FF playing at Grammy's award. This discution is bullshit...

Crap. And everybody knows that Dave and Co just supported Kerry because Dave's pissed off. It was a 'reveange'. Even I know that.

And I'll never boycott FF. Even they support a war, I still support them.

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[szasza]

"WGA picket lines"

What the fuck is this? Somebody please explain.

[The Todd]

Artists gotta stick together against getting dicked around by the big wigs, that's the main argument here. By performing at the Grammy's, the Fighters are essentially sticking their finger up at the creative entertainment industry.

Boycotting the band is a bit too much though, I mean come on!

*high five*

[Jill]

the writers are selfish people- they dont give a shit about the amount of people who are out of money because of their ridiculous strike. All the famous ones can back them up because they have the money to live off but everyone from makeup artists to technical crews dont.



That's untrue. The point of strikes is to not agree with the contract being put in front of you. You don't have to agree with their reasons, but it's their right to say they aren't happy.

I knew someone was going to come on here and rage about this. The band are artists, but they do not depend on the writers for a living. Actors do.

They can make a personal choice about crossing a picket line. My husband is a Union plumber and I have crossed picket lines in the past but would prefer not to cross them. That said, I haven't stopped watching my soap operas which are currently being written by "scabs" because I love them so very much.

It's a choice. You don't have to agree with it but as far as I am concerned, I still enjoy the band and want them desperately to win all the Grammy's they are nominated for. I will watch the broadcast.

Now, I don't want to close this because I want all sides presented, but if you get into name calling with this person or can't discuss it calmly, I WILL close it.

Calm down. It's just their opinion. Big fucking deal.

[Mattye711]

if they bolster their livelihoods then I'm all for it, I dont think what has happened to them is fair, but why hasnt anything been done before now? this has clearly gone on for many years, no so much with itunes, but with the dvd rentals.

Dont get me wrong I hope they all get the royalties back but what are the chances that theyl get all of it back?


The last contract was ratified long ago before the internet and when home VHS sales/rentals were thought to be a fraction of what they turned out to be. Since then, the AMPTP has refused to negotiate.

The Writer's Guild has gone to them tens of times to ask for renegotations, but have been denied. Ultimately, after years of exhaustive attempts to get the money they're owed, the writers had no choice but to strike.

There is a *very good* chance the Screen Actors Guild is also going on strike this Spring because of a similar situation.

Equity actors are stage actors, correct? Your plight is similar -- grossly underpaid while producers rake it in. Good luck next time you want to get paid fairly.

[Jill]

Um. . .that's not a wise statement to make. It is the writers' right and in this case, obligation to strike in order to bolster their livelihoods, in light of the exceedingly unfair sharing of profits from their work.

Exactly.

I don't doubt that the hair and make up people and others that all work together in the entertainment industry deserve more, but they may not be unionized which is what this is about.

The actors contracts are up in June or July. Just wait until that happens.

I guarantee you someone is going to step in because it's just going to get worse.

[veronica77]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter.

Yes , The Pretender lyrics in case Dave forgets.

[Charlotte]

Dave Grohl has never uttered a comedic word on camera that wasn't written for him. You think he ad-libbed his appearance in the Tenacious D movie?
The Foo Fighters have always been about supporting the little guy. Not anymore.

If the band's fans suggested what they're doing by crossing a picket line -- any picket line -- was wrong, the band might reconsider.

Musicians should be sensitive to the plights of other artists. Its not as though the Foo Fighters need the money to appear on the Grammys. But the writers do deserve the money made on DVD and internet sales of their creative work.

I don't think that's the kind of comedy the people here were thinking about.

I don't really get why you are blaming this on the foo fighters anyway. This has to be up to the producers and the people behind the grammys to decide. If the artists are united to boycott the grammys,then fine,but if they all agree go ahead with the show, then why shouldn't FF do the same?

[Leecy*]

Maybe this is selfish of me, but I'm more worried about fucking AMTRAK striking because I might not be able to get my ass from Boston to NYC for the Foo's Madison Square Garden show.

But that's just me.

[Charlotte]

Maybe this is selfish of me, but I'm more worried about fucking AMTRAK striking because I might not be able to get my ass from Boston to NYC for the Foo's Madison Square Garden show.

But that's just me.

hahaha..:) Hope they work it out, so you can get to the show:)

[forsberg]

Have you read this (http://bbs.foofighters.com/showthread.php?t=111219)?

"We're participating in 'My Grammy Moment' because it creates opportunities," Grohl said in a statement. "Opportunities to write, compose, play and study music — skills that absolutely need to be passed on to generations to come. And thanks to 'My Grammy Moment,' a musician from that next generation is going to get the chance to audition on YouTube to play with us at the Grammys as part of our orchestra."

[mih paese]

Just an opinion... what about those new musicians who's taking a big life opportunity playing with the Foos, for all world watch?

Doesn't WGA respect them? New talents?

I don't know, I think it is crap have a discution about Foos 'to play or not to play, that's the fucking question'... They don't have relations with actors and stuff... And they have their 'agenda'. So, they need disrespect their fans because they must respect an association that no one of them participates???

Oh, and Dave is not an actor. He keeps telling this in all interview...

[Jill]

Your plight is similar -- grossly underpaid while producers rake it in. Good luck next time you want to get paid fairly.

If you are in a union, that is a chance you take. You are being overly dramatic since a great number of jobs, LIKE musicians are not unionized and therefore call their own shots on what they earn. If I don't like my pay I can go elsewhere.

You take the good with the bad.

[EllyPirelly]

Dave Grohl has never uttered a comedic word on camera that wasn't written for him.

WTF??!!!!!!!!!!!!
That only happens because you Americans are afraid of cursing, nudity, and stuff, and you want to control his words...
Dave Grohl is one of the funniest guys. EVER.

I do understand you point but would you please go home.

[Leecy*]

Have you read this (http://bbs.foofighters.com/showthread.php?t=111219)?

"We're participating in 'My Grammy Moment' because it creates opportunities," Grohl said in a statement. "Opportunities to write, compose, play and study music — skills that absolutely need to be passed on to generations to come. And thanks to 'My Grammy Moment,' a musician from that next generation is going to get the chance to audition on YouTube to play with us at the Grammys as part of our orchestra."

Pfft. Fuckin' DAVE. I bet a writer wrote that for him.

[Jill]

Maybe this is selfish of me, but I'm more worried about fucking AMTRAK striking because I might not be able to get my ass from Boston to NYC for the Foo's Madison Square Garden show.

But that's just me.

They came to an agreement or so I read. You are safe!

[Leecy*]

hahaha..:) Hope they work it out, so you can get to the show:)

Oh I'm going. Jet Blue is calling my name if AMTRAK strikes.

[Sooze2]

Maybe this is selfish of me, but I'm more worried about fucking AMTRAK striking because I might not be able to get my ass from Boston to NYC for the Foo's Madison Square Garden show.

But that's just me.
LOL ;)

[Charlotte]

Oh I'm going. Jet Blue is calling my name if AMTRAK strikes.

Good!:)

[Leecy*]

They came to an agreement or so I read. You are safe!

Well thank God someone up there is listening to my prayers.

:rolleyes:

[Munki Wrench]

The last contract was ratified long ago before the internet and when home VHS sales/rentals were thought to be a fraction of what they turned out to be. Since then, the AMPTP has refused to negotiate.

The Writer's Guild has gone to them tens of times to ask for renegotations, but have been denied. Ultimately, after years of exhaustive attempts to get the money they're owed, the writers had no choice but to strike.

There is a *very good* chance the Screen Actors Guild is also going on strike this Spring because of a similar situation.

Equity actors are stage actors, correct? Your plight is similar -- grossly underpaid while producers rake it in. Good luck next time you want to get paid fairly.


equity in britain is stage, television and film and a lot more in the industry from children's entertainers to technical (even though bectu are their main union)

Unless I am the main star I am always going to get paid unfairly. You need a name to get the money. Thats the business. And its sucks but there we are.

[Mattye711]

[QUOTE=Munki_Wrench_1986;2422105]equity in britain is stage, television and film and a lot more in the industry from children's entertainers to technical (even though bectu are their main union)

You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.

[Munki Wrench]

[QUOTE=Munki_Wrench_1986;2422105]equity in britain is stage, television and film and a lot more in the industry from children's entertainers to technical (even though bectu are their main union)

You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.

Oh, how low can you go? :rolleyes:

[Red Hot Foo Fighter]

Have you read this (http://bbs.foofighters.com/showthread.php?t=111219)?

"We're participating in 'My Grammy Moment' because it creates opportunities," Grohl said in a statement. "Opportunities to write, compose, play and study music — skills that absolutely need to be passed on to generations to come. And thanks to 'My Grammy Moment,' a musician from that next generation is going to get the chance to audition on YouTube to play with us at the Grammys as part of our orchestra."


I'd be bummed out if I was the winner and they decided not to show (too bad I dont meet the reqirements :( ) but I know they wouldnt leave a talented kid in the cold because of a wga strike that has nothing to do with them.

[Sooze2]

Well thank God someone up there is listening to my prayers.

:rolleyes:
Mind you we had the same problems in Germany for a while. Trains didn't move one bit because there were strikes all over Germany. Luckily I don't have to take the trains.

[earth_girls_are_easy]

You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.

Stop being such a dick, if you want a proper discussion and for anyone on this board to listen to what you are saying you should at least be a little nicer.

[Leecy*]

You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.

Totally uncalled for... you're going to be the one that ends up closing your own thread because you've resorted to name calling.

[Charlotte]

[QUOTE=Mattye711;2422107
You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but didn't you want people here to support your case?

I don't think that's the way go, I'm afraid:rolleyes:

[Jill]

[QUOTE=Munki_Wrench_1986;2422105]equity in britain is stage, television and film and a lot more in the industry from children's entertainers to technical (even though bectu are their main union)

You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.

I'm telling you now, watch your hostility.

[Mattye711]

I'd be bummed out if I was the winner and they decided not to show (too bad I dont meet the reqirements :( ) but I know they wouldnt leave a talented kid in the cold because of a wga strike that has nothing to do with them.

Me too. Grohl could *easily* come up with an alternative.

Or if every celeb told the Grammys to postpone a month or so until the strike is resolved, that might be effective.

I'm not saying the Foos shouldn't play or that the contest winner(s) shouldn't get their prize.

But its a sell-out, chump move to cross any picket line. The fight isn't the musicians' to make, but if they want to appear on a WGA show, they should only do so when the writers are back to work.

[Mattye711]

[QUOTE=Mattye711;2422107]

I'm telling you now, watch your hostility.

They're just jokes, baby. Just jokes.

[Munki Wrench]

woah, jill I said the 1st bit not the second.

:s

EDIT: ignore me I read it again. but why does it keep saying originally posted by me??

[EllyPirelly]

[QUOTE=Munki_Wrench_1986;2422105]equity in britain is stage, television and film and a lot more in the industry from children's entertainers to technical (even though bectu are their main union)

You don't even have a horse in this race! You're from the UK. We're discussing an AMERICAN show. Go drink some tea and brush your awful teeth.

Unnecessary rude.
This is an international Fanboard :p

[Leecy*]

Me too. Grohl could *easily* come up with an alternative.

Or if every celeb told the Grammys to postpone a month or so until the strike is resolved, that might be effective.

I'm not saying the Foos shouldn't play or that the contest winner(s) shouldn't get their prize.

But its a sell-out, chump move to cross any picket line. The fight isn't the musicians' to make, but if they want to appear on a WGA show, they should only do so when the writers are back to work.

Hm.. well, that's life I guess.

[Mattye711]

I'm sorry, but didn't you want people here to support your case?

I don't think that's the way go, I'm afraid:rolleyes:

Whether I make jokes at the expense of a Limey doesn't change the fact that I'm right and the Foo Fighters are wrong in this case.

[Timotheus]

OK, it sounds like there are still so people here who do not understand the main focus of the WGA.

The WGA is the Writers Guild of America, which consists of a majority of the major show writers on many different networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Now certain TV shows that these writers work for are being released on DVD throughout the nation and in some cases, throughout the world. The sales of these DVD end up going straight to the network and the writers do not get a part of the profit. The writers felt that this was unfair, seeing as how they are the ones writing most of these shows and went on strike, forcing many of shows, including Conan, Leno and Letterman off the air for a couple of months. The group is still striking in an attempt to gain their fair share of the merchandising sales.

i support the strikers 100% on this one, but the fact that they are striking at a music awards show is not very persuasive, I guess is the best word i can think of. For one thing, these award shows shouldn't need these writers in the first place, but I do understand that the group wants to gain the support of the people.

Striking for the right cause is ok, but going into irrelevant territory is a bit uncalled for.

[earth_girls_are_easy]

Me too. Grohl could *easily* come up with an alternative.

Or if every celeb told the Grammys to postpone a month or so until the strike is resolved, that might be effective.

I'm not saying the Foos shouldn't play or that the contest winner(s) shouldn't get their prize.

But its a sell-out, chump move to cross any picket line. The fight isn't the musicians' to make, but if they want to appear on a WGA show, they should only do so when the writers are back to work.

What makes you think one band has that sort of power? The Foo's are a pretty big band but I really doubt they can get the grammys postponed especially since its an event that takes about a year to plan!

[Charlotte]

Me too. Grohl could *easily* come up with an alternative.

Or if every celeb told the Grammys to postpone a month or so until the strike is resolved, that might be effective.

I'm not saying the Foos shouldn't play or that the contest winner(s) shouldn't get their prize.

But its a sell-out, chump move to cross any picket line. The fight isn't the musicians' to make, but if they want to appear on a WGA show, they should only do so when the writers are back to work.

I don't think FF has that much power over the grammys I'm afraid..

[Leecy*]

Anyone know how I can get tickets to the Grammy's? I wasn't going to try to go before, but NOW... I just feel the need....fuck watching it on TV.

[i2hymnocerous]

I am glad the band is doing it because of the contest they have set up. If they weren't doing that contest, it would be wrong for them to cross IMO. I understand how writers have very little, if anything to do with the band. The thing is though when people cross that line, it is a slap in the face to those who worked hard to get to where they are. You are telling those people the work they do and have put in for a majority of their lives is worthless.

Personally, I'll just watch the band's appearance when it makes YouTube. I won't waste my time supporting the whole award show.

[Munki Wrench]

Whether I make jokes at the expense of a Limey doesn't change the fact that I'm right and the Foo Fighters are wrong in this case.

a limey?

lower.

You cant judge my opinion because I'm british. If you disagree, fine. So knock it off.

[Sooze2]

Striking for the right cause is ok, but going into irrelevant territory is a bit uncalled for.
Right on!

[Jill]

This is being closed because people can't calmly discuss this issue. Name calling and what not is counter productive.

A suggestion to ANYONE that would like to intelligently prove their point of view...try giving facts instead of resorting to nasty comments about our friends in the UK.

That is all.

[Jill]

My buddy FOOed For Thought...Robin sent me an interesting PM about this and I thought I would open this back up if everyone behaved AND to discuss this tasty fact:

The recording industry has come to rely on the Grammy Awards each year to provide a much-needed boon following what is almost always a slow January. Once the holidays have come and gone, album sales nationwide tend to plummet. One minute the industry is up, and the next, it's back on life support.

But with less than a month to go before the February 10 awards show is supposed to take place, it is struggling to stay on track in the wake of the ongoing writers' strike. According to the Los Angeles Times, the American Federation of Musicians, the largest union for professional musicians, and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, which represents 70,000 entertainers, have issued a statement supporting the producers of the Grammys and their bid for a waiver from the Writers Guild of America.

"AFM and AFTRA strongly urge all of our members to support the important work of the Recording Academy by participating in the Grammy events," the statement read. While it might not sway the WGA, which has already said it is "unlikely" to grant a waiver to the Grammys, a decision on the matter is expected by next week.
On Thursday, in response to widespread speculation that the strike would quash the awards, the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, which organizes the Grammy telecast, issued a press release rife with declarations of support from industry professionals and artists alike.

"The work of the Recording Academy is vital to the music industry, and we have every intention of being with the entire music community to celebrate the Grammys' 50th birthday in February," said Mathew Knowles, who manages his daughter Beyoncé's career and said B will attend next month's awards. "We have an incredible Beyoncé performance that will be announced soon."

"We're looking forward to attending this year's Grammy Awards, as we do every year," said John Silva, a talent manager who counts the Foo Fighters and the Beastie Boys as clients. "We are hopeful that we will see a resolution to the current situation affecting our entire industry, as [the] Foo Fighters have always had nothing short of amazing experiences with the writers, producers, fellow artists and audiences at the Grammys and every television show the band has ever played. There's no question that the Grammys are a highlight of every year for the industry and audiences alike, and we're thrilled that the Foo Fighters will be performing on the show."



From this article at MTV.com:

Put this in your pipe and smoke it! (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1579870/20080117/index.jhtml)

[DonnaInVA]

I didn't even think, talk about an industry that's losing money to the internet--how about musicians?

Jill, I don't smoke anymore...no pipe smoke plz

[O.B.gene]

I didn't even think, talk about an industry that's losing money to the internet--how about musicians?

Metallica...Napster? that back-fired for them didnt it?

[EllyPirelly]

Metallica...Napster? that back-fired for them didnt it?

Oh yes!!!! It did!!!! Badly!

[Melly-foo-ous]

Not a very cut and dry issue. While it is a good thing to support the writers who are not being paid fairly for their work, how ethical is it of them to be causing financial suffering to all the other professions associated with their work? I know this is how a strike works, but strikes to not have to be all or nothing to be effective. Goodwill goes a long way on both sides of the striking fence. Granting a waiver to the Grammys, a show which is much more about music than anything else, would show some goodwill on the part of the writers.
Moreover, is this demand for payment from dvd sales something that has been reneged on or something that they are wanting to be added to their contracts? Makes a difference to me as far as supporting this all encompassing strike action.

[nique]

None of this really addresses the most important point.



The Grammys suck, and always have.
Had to say it.

[Melly-foo-ous]

None of this really addresses the most important point.



The Grammys suck, and always have.
Had to say it.

They'll only suck if the Foos don't win any of the awards they're nominated for.

[EllyPirelly]

Because i´m a stupid foreigner an "may also not have a horse in this race": could somebody please explain to me why there isn´t more effective negotiation happening?
Since when do they strike? Since November 07?
And of course the WGA is obviously right!

[nique]

They'll only suck if the Foos don't win any of the awards they're nominated for.

You pretty much backed up my argument.


They'll suck if they do win awards too.
Seriously, since when have the Grammys been a credible yardstick of what constitutes good music?

[Hulia]

Seriously, since when have the Grammys been a credible yardstick of what constitutes good music?

Amen... I hate awards shows... I usually pass on watching, but I'll tune in just to see the Foos this year. :)

[Funky Platypus]

You pretty much backed up my argument.


They'll suck if they do win awards too.
Seriously, since when have the Grammys been a credible yardstick of what constitutes good music?

True that. I don't get the point of award shows. Sometimes I tune in to watch bands I like play, such as this year with the Foos, but that's it.

[Melly-foo-ous]

You pretty much backed up my argument.


They'll suck if they do win awards too.
Seriously, since when have the Grammys been a credible yardstick of what constitutes good music?

Let me clarify, they'll suck, ie, I'll be bummed, if the Foos don't win but that is separate from any credibility they have. I won't say they're rubbish if my favorites don't win, that's just sour grapes.

I think they do mean something for many musicians and I believe the Foos are stoked for having received so many noms and so I'm stoked for them.

[FOOed For Thought]

Thanks, Jill, for posting that. I just felt that some facts and perspective might help focus the discussion.

I have my own issues with the Grammys and every other awards show, but - and this is true of the Grammys in particular - it's mainly a celebration of the industry, a chance to acknowledge achievement and excellence. Fair? Not always. And in some cases, nominations appear like "make-up calls" by a referee. I look at the Foo Fighters' situation with this year's Grammy show this way - Dave in particular, but all of the guys, have worked their butts off as professional musicians for years and achieved an elite level, not only of the quality of their music, but of its acceptance by a mass audience, and their own standards of professionalism. The academy overseeing the recording industry has chosen to honor their hard work and achievement via nominations for certain awards. It IS an honor, and I'm damn proud of the guys for being so honored.

As far as being a barometer of musical taste, proficiency or trend-setting, neither the Grammys nor any other awards show should be looked to, and I agree some of their omissions and bad calls have been egregious. They're improving, bit by bit. The award show is what it is, and like it or not, receiving a Grammy is a mark of honor to any musician, producer, songwriter, etc. who wins one. I would love to see the guys honored with one or more of the major awards they've been nominated for. Realistically, Kanye West is expected to all but sweep...but "underdogs" have won before. And just the fact they were nominated for Best Album and Best Record is an achievement unto itself.

As far as the WGA, believe it or not, I am on the writers' side as far as it involves the scope of the writers' work. Do I believe they should receive residuals for legal downloads of shows they wrote? Absolutely, just as songwriters for legal downloads of songs they wrote. A very good friend of mine is an actor with a semi-regular role on a major TV show, and his life's been thrown into turmoil by the strike...as other actors, directors, wardrobers, lighting techs, stagehands, makeup staff, "go-fers", drivers, caterers, security guards, janitors, peripheral businesses near studios and filming sites that make their livelihood because of industry customers who are there for work...Going by what my friend and other involved parties have said, the WGA would be happy to go back to the table, but the producers have dug in for the long haul, banking up reality shows and even purchasing cable shows to "sanitize" for network viewing. (I'm almost dreading seeing the CBS-ized version of "Dexter"...:eek:) Look...I've walked an AFM picket line myself. The WGA are in the right as far as what they are asking for...but beyond a certain point, some tactics can become counter-productive. Maybe an alternative to the traditional strike is needed, and I'm referring here to legal, non-violent, constructive action.

Musicians are a resourceful lot. IMO the most constructive thing to do would be to simply accept WGA and SAG members' choice not to participate but to allow AFM and AFTRA members to do so without having to cross a picket line. Let the musicians act as their own hosts and announcers. Hell, how many times have I said they ought to just let Dave and Taylor host it? Those two can vamp better than 90% of the usual hosts can perform with full prep. (OK, dreaming...but...! :D) And, should the WGA stick to their guns about the Grammys, other methods could be pursued to guarantee an entertaining show, a suitable acknowledgment of the nominees' achievements, and no repeat of the Golden Globes debacle. Oh, it can be done, maybe not cheaply, but legally, imaginatively, and in a way that might influence the course of future award show programming. And that's not hyperbole.

P.S. - I did read in a couple of sources that Dave would not be willing to cross a picket line if it came to that, but I'll research it and provide links to the actual articles soon as I get a chance. So referring to him and the guys as "scabs" is patently unfair and untrue. I hope we can continue this discussion in a civilized and informed manner - it's a complex one, but rife with strong feelings both ways. :cool:

[Captain Fox]

I am very drunk ow but efore i went out i swear THIS THREADas closed for calling us limeys!


anyway the asshat that started this thread got told and the Foo are legends and agreed the contrat long ago so should be left alonE!

[DonnaInVA]

I am very drunk ow but efore i went out i swear THIS THREADas closed for calling us limeys!


anyway the asshat that started this thread got told and the Foo are legends and agreed the contrat long ago so should be left alonE!

Jill did close it for inappropriate name calling and then she decided to reopen it.
Don't drunk post--it makes you look simple

[Tym]

I didn't even think, talk about an industry that's losing money to the internet--how about musicians?

Jill, I don't smoke anymore...no pipe smoke plz

Or the fact that the plight of the writers compared to the way musicians and songwriters have been dicked over by their industry is about the difference between a slight cough and terminal lung cancer.

[FOOed For Thought]

Or the fact that the plight of the writers compared to the way musicians and songwriters have been dicked over by their industry is about the difference between a slight cough and terminal lung cancer.

Point well taken, Tym...but I can't blame the WGA for trying to make sure their "slight cough" doesn't become something more malignant. They probably learned precisely by watching what happened to songwriters and musicians.

One good thing is that musicians have been learning to use the internet in their own favor; rather than hating the game, they're learning to play it to win. I don't know how much of that can translate over to what writers can do for themselves online, but we may find out sooner rather than later at this point.:cool:

[foofan_22]

I do agree with the WGA and their reasons for striking. They definitely deserve the residuals from new media because lets face it, that's what everything is moving towards in the future, that's where the money is going to be. Now as far as their tactics go, the boycotting of the Golden Globes was a great idea to get a point across. As the Globes celebrate Films and Television, the boycott was relevant to the attendees and was in turn well executed. With the Grammy's, the attendees are split on the issue and it's relevance. I'm not saying it's right or wrong for them to cross the picket line, but honestly, there was no way they were going to shut them down like the Globes. So in the end, it's not bringing them any closer to an agreement with AMPTP. The WGA should choose their battles if they want to come closer to a deal.
In all seriousness, this could all be moot in a few weeks now that both parties are likely going back to the table after this DGA deal closed.

[Stu]

Here's my 2 pence on the matter...

The whole strike situation is so moronic.

For me, picketing conjures images of firefighters, nurses, miners, all being paid a crappy wage to do hard and important jobs, with NO public recognition, who had to resort to these extremes to get noticed and strike a fair deal, in many cases only to get pay increases above the rate of inflation.

Without wanting to insult any Americans here, only in America could a screen writers strike occur...overpaid wankers getting greedy and wanting a share of the profits from what they write...

Very few people get a share in the profits they work to create (except for employees of John Lewis...). You do a job and you get paid. You don't like it you quit. Sure it's not ideal, but it's hardly the worst situation ever conceived. Sitting around thinking of ideas for gags and TV shows all day and getting paid for it is a fucking cushy job. Earning money for doing that in any way, shape or form is a golden ticket in itself. Deciding you want royalties is quite frankly a disgusting insult to people who have to work shit jobs all day to make ends meet. The only thing worse is chastising those who refuse to get caught up in it and go to work as normal.

Good on those crossing the pickets and rising above it, I say.

[fookitty]

I guarantee the Foos will be saying something that's been written in a teleprompter. They're doing that contest thing where people will be playing in an "orchestra" with them.

The fact that they are musicians and not actors has nothing to do with it. Actors, writers, musicians, directors, announcers, etc. are all part of a wide variety of unions which support one another.

With Dave Grohl having appeared in movies and on television means he had to become a member of SAG (Screen Actors Guild) or AFTRA (Television & Radio Actors/Announcers.) Both of those groups have come out in support of the striking Writers and have asked members to boycott all WGA shows.

While I agree that most awards shows writing is woefully bad, it is still an *essential* ingredient of producing the programs. NO ONE (sorry if this blows minds) goes on television without reading lines written for them. Even talk show interviews are rehearsed backstage ahead of time. There's no improvisation involved.

Face it folks, your beloved Foo Fighters are SCABS.

Ahhh....You're taking this whole thing waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously. The Foo Fighters are not part of the writer's strike. They're musicians first.

Besides, there are worse things happening in the world right now then some piddly writers going on strike. And calling the Foo's "scabs" is just plain stupid. Do the writer's currently on strike fight battles for musicians and get involved in their business? No.

The Foo's will be the only reason I'm watching the Grammys. Just let it go...or...go to therapy. Seems you need it to deal with all of that anger.

[FOOed For Thought]

As regards Dave's connection to SAG, this may be pure conjecture on my part, but...

Actors cannot simply join a union because they want to. Both SAG and the AEA require that one either be in a SAG or AEA production to join. Membership may be provisional and expire once production is over. After a length of time working on union productions, one may be able to have a full-time membership. SAG and AEA like almost all unions require membership and application fees, as well as yearly dues. Maintaining membership by working a certain number of days per year may also be required.Bolding my own. Source: http://www.wisegeek.com/is-there-a-union-for-actors.htm

My late father (who had been a member of both SAG and AFTRA) had told me about provisional memberships, I was just looking for a source that explained it succinctly.

Just guessing Dave hasn't kept his SAG card up recently. :D The AFM is asking their folks to participate. Bottom line. Labor unions don't always agree.

[Matthew Hancock]

I can see the strike from both sides. Yes writers should get paid a fair share from DVD sales, and online downloads. I don't know how getting paid for shows in syndication works or if the writers felt that those other revenue streams tie into syndication, but I feel like it is easy to be resolved. I can also think of other jobs where employees work and supply intellectual property and how successful their idea or product is, the company they work for ultimately profits. These writers can be paid for a task, if they commit the task than they're sort of out of luck as far as how they're material is used. I'm glad the union is being used, but it has been going on so long that I don't see it being worthwhile to them. For every right the union has to strike, everyone else has the right to move past it. It seems unjust to say writers are getting paid what they may or may not deserve, and then criticize television networks for trying to run their business.

Also Foo Fighters are technically supposed to be performing outside, so they aren't totally crossing the picket line.

I don't see them as being "scabs" in this case, because it is just a desire for additional revenue. If writer's were forced to write in coal mines with shoddy structural reinforcement and ventilation, then yes, they'd have a much more valid case to strike and for others to not cross their picket lines.

I'm really just bummed that the last episodes of Scrubs might never be written or filmed because of the strike.

[Zippy Ate My Drumkit]

Who gives a flying fuck?

[fookitty]

Who gives a flying fuck?


Word.

[Dave T.]

I support the writers too. But it's an award show for music. They don't have to shut down everything to make their point. They have already made a huge point with shutting down a lot of TV shows and I say good for them. However their is such a thing as going too far and I think this is a good example of it.

[veronica77]

Is such a good feeling when you provee people wrong !!!

Thank You Jill.
;)

[WØØden ShØe]

I haven't read the whole thread, but it surprises me that some people say Foo Fighters have nothing to do with acting, because to me Dave Grohl is a brilliant comedian in his videos. Also, tho not completely the same, the strikers and the band are both writers in a way, one party write scripts and claim royalties, the bands (in this case the foos) write and get royalties, so bands are in a better position and I can see the point of questioning the decision made to cross the picket line. It's a hard decision to make really, because musicians depend financially on gigs and concerts nowadays. Personally I wouldn't do it, but it's easy for me to say.

[hewhoknowsall]

I think the foos should be allowed to play.... They have nothing to do with the writers strike nor does the grammys....

[Sarah UK]

Whether I make jokes at the expense of a Limey doesn't change the fact that I'm right and the Foo Fighters are wrong in this case.

wow. well mr almighty, i doubt your little outburst is going to make any difference. I dont think that whether or not the foo fighters play at the show is any of your business. are you a writer on strike?

HAY! IDEA!!! why dont all the writers go on strike the next time a foo fighter album gets leaked online or a record company takes a big percent of their profit! OMG DEAL!

I dont care about writers. i will be watching as i am a foo fighter fan, not a ugly betty fan.

[Sideburns]

I already paid for the Binghamton ticket, but I will not be buying any further Foo tickets or albums to show solidarity with writers who deserve royalties for their work. It's the first and only ticket I've ever paid for, anyway.

I don't care what anyone else does.

EDIT: Also, I doubt the Brits eat limes in vast quantities anymore, as most fly nowadays when they're on vacation, but whatever floats your boat, pilgrim.

[Tokimonster]

from an article I read, the Foos are preforming because they are a part of the Young artists thing, and they want to give the chance to young musicians to preform.
its like a "support the music" thing.

[Sideburns]

from an article I read, the Foos are preforming because they are a part of the Young artists thing, and they want to give the chance to young musicians to preform.
its like a "support the music" thing.

It's not like they're playing with poor children. They're playing with a fucking twenty year old korean kid that lives in his parents' basement and has a lot of expensive guitars he got as birthday and graduation gifts.

[Tokimonster]

It's not like they're playing with poor children. They're playing with a fucking twenty year old korean kid that lives in his parents' basement and has a lot of expensive guitars he got as birthday and graduation gifts.

obviouisly its going to be filled with sevant azn kids, but just so you know... they want classic instruments, not rock and roll.
And the point i was trying to make is they were crossing the line for kids, not to slight the writers.

[Sideburns]

obviouisly its going to be filled with sevant azn kids, but just so you know... they want classic instruments, not rock and roll.
And the point i was trying to make is they were crossing the line for kids, not to slight the writers.

The minimum age limit, or so I've heard, is 18. Those aren't kids.

[Yoz]

The foo's will win shit loads of awards now for their average music...
funny how when they produced their best work they got fuck all recognition, but hey thats the music industry for you!

[Sideburns]

The foo's will win shit loads of awards now for their average music...
funny how when they produced their best work they got fuck all recognition, but hey thats the music industry for you!

That's because they didn't suck any dick when they wrote their best stuff. You have to get on your knees to win awards at shows like the Grammys.

[Yoz]

That's because they didn't suck any dick when they wrote their best stuff. You have to get on your knees to win awards at shows like the Grammys.

true.

[Tokimonster]

The minimum age limit, or so I've heard, is 18. Those aren't kids.

hey, there is an age limit, didnt know that. :eek:

[Tokimonster]

That's because they didn't suck any dick when they wrote their best stuff. You have to get on your knees to win awards at shows like the Grammys.

if you two dont like the foos anymore why do you post so much on a foo fighters forum?

inb4 flame-
Im not trying to fight, dont be an ass and gripe my face off. Its just a question.

[Jolene]

Yea, these people are on strike for a good reason, but I would cross them too

[Sideburns]

if you two dont like the foos anymore why do you post so much on a foo fighters forum?

inb4 flame-
Im not trying to fight, dont be an ass and gripe my face off. Its just a question.

I still like the Foos, obviously, or I wouldn't have bought a ticket to their show. Just because you like someone's music doesn't mean you have live with your mouth around their dick.

[hewhoknowsall]

speaking of the Writer's Strike, anyone seen the Letterman last night? FUNNY STUFF

But seriously I think the Foos should play anyways

[Fooze Fighter]

Look, you don't cross a picket line if your worried about it effecting your career. When Bob Saget goes on Conan, Saget puts himself in danger of offending all the people he works with directly, he is after all a director and an actor - both of which require writers.

The Foo Fighters, are a different story. If they cross the picket line, do they put themselves in danger of losing work? Of course not. They barely appear on television (save for the UTLRA rare cameo or the more common musical spot). Rather, they make music, play shows and do their own thing. They're established enough (like Beyonce) that they can do something like this and it won't make a lick of difference to their ticket sales and reputation. Likewise, I seriously doubt this stance will put their future music video endeavors in danger as well. From talking with Michael Palmieri, who directed DOA and Resolve he mentioned how the Foo's already pay for a portion of their own videos as it is, along with the RCA and the production company. So believe me, they'll be okay. They're musicians at the end of the day.

Perhaps a line should be drawn regarding what groups of people we can/can't accuse of hurting the strike. Perhaps the OP would like to boycott Pizza Hut next, seeing how their delivery people cross the lines daily to feed the people at whatever major production company.

On top of this, can we stop pretending that every little stand we make against the industry is going end this writers strike? You think if the Foo Fighters don't play the Grammies, the AMPTP is going raise the white flag in the air because the Pretender wasn't played? Like, I hate to sound like a dick about this, because I support the strike, I really do, but most people in the know about the strike also understand that this strike is an uphill battle. The last strike in 88 lasted 22 weeks, this one is almost half way there - and there is no signs of stoppage. And for one simple reason, you take a look at TV ratings, you take a look at the box office numbers, nothing is being effected. TV ratings have only changed, what 5% form the numbers last year despite a lack of scripted shows, Cloverfield is about gross 40 mill this weekend, no money is being lost - yet. The studios where well of this before the strike vote happened and they're full capable of waiting out this strike for several more months.

As long as we're going around boycotting people, let's go after JJ Abrams who appeared on the Adam Carolla show the other day to promote Cloverfield. Carolla is a WGA member, he's publicly stated he was forced into the union because of the various work he's done over the years. And while he supports the writers he's not about to stop doing his job over something he never cared to be a part of in the first place. Are you not going to see Cloverfield now? Conan and Stewart had to come back to support the remainder of their staffs, are you not going to watch their shows? If they had held out longer do you honestly think it would have made that much of a difference? Hell no, It's a power play by the studios now, they have the upper hand; either the writers tough it out until the studios REALLY need new material (film projects and previous shelved TV pilots can be produced well into this new year) or the writers will cave to a lesser deal (which would be unfortunate, given their not asking for a whole lot). That's all that's left here.

Frankly, while I'm on my soap box, if this strike has given us one wonderful thing; it's the needed castration of these blowhard award shows. I'm all for the idea of the industry recognizing its best offerings for the year, but do all these shows need to be 3 hours of bullshit pomp and circumstance? The Golden Globes clocked in at 33 mins this year! Not the usual 2 to 3 hour running time, rather HALF AN HOUR. This is exactly how long these shows should be. You get up there, announce the categories, give out the award, move on, your out of there before the next episode of Friends is on. Why would we want to watch that? Beats me, I can't understand why we find the need to watch these events in the first place, since the next day all we do is complain about how long, pointless and shitty these events are in the first place.

I mean, do we really need Bruce Vallanche feeding 'hilarious quips' about Amy Winnehouse to whatever celebrity of the month is hosting this year? Maybe the show can now finally showcase some music - which it SHOULD be doing in the first place. God forbid it should turn into the train wreck that was the MTV "Music" Awards this year.

Point is, we need to draw the line somewhere. The Foo Fighters will be fine, they made their stance, like so many others, the show will go on.

Thank you, I'm done now.

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CLIFS FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO READ:

1. OP is an idiot.
2. Foo Fighters will be fine.
3. Profit?

[Foolata]

The Grammys are about MUSIC. They deserve to be there. So back off! :mad:


Oh, and I don't give two shits about the writers strike

[pam jenn]

No way the foo fighters totally rock and the WGA are totally different too. anyway i am seeing switchfoot next week

[i2hymnocerous]

I vaguely recall the suffering music industry that needed to be supported with people going to the Grammy Awards and not caring about the striking writers. I just want to say, didn't the music industry help put themselves into shitty position?

Anyway, the only reason the band should go is because of the fan competition to play with them. Other than that, I think it sort of is a slap in the face those who have worked extremely hard to get where they are in life.

[Jill]

I give major shits about the strike because reality TV all the fucking time, sucks.

I want my ER, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters and Grey's Anatomy.

GRRRR!

[Susan]

The Grammy are about MUSIC.

You and I have a very different definition of "music." :rolleyes:

The grammy awards have been an embarrassment to music for decades.

It would have been cool if the Foos had refused to cross their fellow artists' picket line. I'm not at all surprised that they are going to cross though. They don't seem particularly smart about this stuff, despite the fact that they sometimes try to dabble in politics.

[Susan]

I did a couple of online searches and it's pretty embarrassing that Dave Grohl and Beyonce's dad are the only two people listed in every story as being bound and determined to cross a picket line.

[FOOed For Thought]

Hopefully, all the sturm und drang will be academic soon. Following three articles were the best of the bunch I perused on the matter, now involving the new DGA deal and the back-channel talks between the WGA and AMPTP...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-strike19jan19,1,2347780.story?coll=la-headlines-business
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3207736.ece
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a7.cK0xtn0sk&refer=home

A parallel WGA deal might or might not be everything the writers want, but it may be a big enough step in the right direction to justify getting thousands of people back to work. Take note of the articles' reference to the ripple effect the strike has had beyond the writers themselves or even the TV/film industry.

[Susan]

The director's deal isn't under the same terms as what the writers wanted, but they did apparently get something more than what the studios ever offered the writers. No word on whether they will offer that same something to the writers and actors though. It's all a big secret with the press speculating.

It's a good sign that the studios are finally willing to talk to the writers -- it's been ages since the studios walked away. But we haven't heard that the studios have changed their position regarding the writers' demands, right?

It's funny because just a few days ago, everyone expected the directors to sign a quick deal. The directors make higher wages and they have always gotten along well with the studios, unlike the writers' and actors' unions. So the thought was that the directors would work out a quick deal, the writers would still be on strike, and then the actors would agree with the writers and a second strike would start this summer. But without disclosing any details regarding what the directors got, the media is now reporting that this deal has some meaning. I hope it's based on some real information and not just wishful thinking. :p

[DIZZY396]

I give major shits about the strike because reality TV all the fucking time, sucks.

I want my ER, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters and Grey's Anatomy.

GRRRR!

Amen to that sister.

[Foolata]

You and I have a very different definition of "music." :rolleyes:

The grammy awards have been an embarrassment to music for decades.

It would have been cool if the Foos had refused to cross their fellow artists' picket line. I'm not at all surprised that they are going to cross though. They don't seem particularly smart about this stuff, despite the fact that they sometimes try to dabble in politics.

I doubt it ;)

I haven't watched the Grammy in years either, but they are awards given for people in the music industry and it obviously means something to the band or else they wouldn't have participated in the nomination ceremony. The bottom line is it doesn't need to mean anything to you or me because it's not for us, it's for THEM. If they want to go it's nobody elses buisness.

[mexicanFOO]

Nice controversial thread. Too bad 95% are on the Foos side.

I am part of that percentage, because like everyone, I really don't see the direct connection between the writers and the Foos, except a couple of lines Dave said on the Tenacious movie, or LAME award lines.

The whole band alone speaks better either being serious or making an ass out theirselves!! They just look way awkward when reading something prepared.

In this case, I'd like to say that the Foos will NEVER depend on the WGA, but I don't really know the depths to this whole deal. But come on! The Foos NEVER whined in a serious way about internet piracy! which affected them directly, then why the fuck should they stand for people who don't help their sales and career?!

Its a nice thing to do, showing support, and I strongly believe that the Foos want the best for the WGA, we know the kind of people they are, but if they have nothing to do with it, let them do the Grammys which WILL let them boost some sales.

Im going around the same thing over and over am I? :p

Yes, the grammys suck and I would give a fuck if they got cancelled, but the Foos are on, call me a hypocrite, but Its a chance to see them live, plus with the orchestra thingy.

ALSO, I would support 100% the WGA Strike, for I think they are fighting for something that belongs to them, without stories, there'd be no TV shows innit?

But compromising my job for them, too much.

[i2hymnocerous]

then why the fuck should they stand for people who don't help their sales and career?!

So WGA members don't purchase Foo Fighters music? WGA members have worked hard to get where they are and it is great when highly respected people step behind them and back them in the fullest sense.

It is much like other causes. Just because it isn't directly linked to the band they should not care about it? That is a terrible way to live life. I am a white male but I still support minority rights. Since it doesn't affect me, should I just disregard it because it may not directly affect me? Of course not.

[Melly-foo-ous]

Youu can support a group's rights and endeavors without necessarily agreeing with all the tactics they use to achieve their aims. I think that is what is happening here with the grammies. Those willing to cross the picket lines are simply stating that they don't feel that this particular show should be picketed or cancelled. Period. Strike action does not have to be 100% to be effective. There is a point where it can be detrimental to your cause. Like I said before, a little goodwill goes a long way.

[Sideburns]

Youu can support a group's rights and endeavors without necessarily agreeing with all the tactics they use to achieve their aims. I think that is what is happening here with the grammies. Those willing to cross the picket lines are simply stating that they don't feel that this particular show should be picketed or cancelled. Period. Strike action does not have to be 100% to be effective. There is a point where it can be detrimental to your cause. Like I said before, a little goodwill goes a long way.

It's not goodwill at all -- The Foos do not represent the WGA, and therefore their actions in crossing the picket line do not express goodwill on the part of the WGA at all.

If it were any other band, I have a feeling most of the people here would be bitching about it and supporting the WGA.

[mexicanFOO]

It's not goodwill at all -- The Foos do not represent the WGA, and therefore their actions in crossing the picket line do not express goodwill on the part of the WGA at all.

If it were any other band, I have a feeling most of the people here would be bitching about it and supporting the WGA.
i thought the same... i am a hypocrite:o

[Jose]

*ahem*

I admit, it's not fair what deals they're throwing at the writers (speaking personally as a writer) and it does hurt a lot of families when the WGA isn't working or when they're getting shit deals. But the world can't stop for the WGA. Eight writers on a show can keep hundreds out of a job and hurt the community more than you think. Production companies make a lot of charitable donations to schools like the one my wife works at. They make their profits through the donations and if the strike isn't over soon, it could even affect her job. No job if their isn't any pay. So trust me, it can hurt my family more than it already has but the Foo's should cross that damn line and perform. The show must go on not for the sake of the awards but for the people who work hard to make the show happen.

[Knoxy]

Trolls are funny. They are usually great writers as well. Awesome.

[foofire]

I vaguely recall the suffering music industry that needed to be supported with people going to the Grammy Awards and not caring about the striking writers. I just want to say, didn't the music industry help put themselves into shitty position?

Anyway, the only reason the band should go is because of the fan competition to play with them. Other than that, I think it sort of is a slap in the face those who have worked extremely hard to get where they are in life.

Interesting to support the writers but, do the writers strike with musicians if they were to strike? Would they give up their paychecks for up to a year or so? Hmm? I think the writers should get their fair deal and hopefully all this will end before businesses and communities are destroyed by this strike. Many restaurants and small businesses in areas where this strike is affecting are suffering and are innocent victims. I hope both sides will offer some compensation to these communities once they get their deal settled. Everyone should be fair and settle soon. Shame on those who hold out and especially disappoint many people who are really looking forward to seeing many upcoming events on TV. I don't think the loss of any further revenue is worth it. I hope the get some ACE mediators to work with both sides to settle fairly. I saw a shooting star tonight so I hope my wish will come true!

[Melly-foo-ous]

It's not goodwill at all -- The Foos do not represent the WGA, and therefore their actions in crossing the picket line do not express goodwill on the part of the WGA at all.

If it were any other band, I have a feeling most of the people here would be bitching about it and supporting the WGA.

Guess I wasn't clear. I meant goodwill on the part of the strikers to give this show a waiver from their strike action. Nothing to do with those willing to cross the picket lines.

[Jose]

Trolls are funny. They are usually great writers as well. Awesome.

Monkeys are awesome writers.

[Knoxy]

Monkeys are awesome writers.

Mike Nesmith was probably the BEST writer in the Monkees.

[FOOed For Thought]

GREAT NEWS - THANK YOU, WGA!!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOgd9tqazt48dhyFEiaTW1gXdViAD8UB9A681

[Jill]

For those too lazy to read, the WGA has decided NOT to strike the Grammy's.

So the Foo's will NOT be crossing the picket lines.

[robissimo]

For those too lazy to read, the WGA has decided NOT to strike the Grammy's.

So the Foo's will NOT be crossing the picket lines.

thanks jill!

[COOJAR]

For those too lazy to read, the WGA has decided NOT to strike the Grammy's.

So the Foo's will NOT be crossing the picket lines.


Now that is a good mod, doing the reading for us!

[Sideburns]

Cool, I can go back to not paying for any of my tickets after the gig in February.

[Sooze2]

Now that is a good mod, doing the reading for us!
lol :D

[tom18287]

just more union bullshit

[earth_girls_are_easy]

I love how this thread has gone all arse over tit because the WGA isnt striking at the Grammys anymore. :D

[Knoxy]

So much drama for nothing. Hilarious.

Mike Nesmith is still the best writer in the Monkees. :)

[Taendscha]

so i read the whole fuckin thread to just find out that there is finally no picket line to cross?!? omg, i should have read the last posts first... :rolleyes:

[FOOed For Thought]

Welcome to the postboard. :D

[Taendscha]

thanks ;)

[Foo'i]

None of this really addresses the most important point.



The Grammys suck, and always have.
Had to say it.

Agree, like totally, except the only good thing about the show is when the Foo's are on, its the only other time (other than the concerts) I get to see them.

As for the writers - didn't they get paid. Their contracts probably need to change....Maybe hollywood needs to pay them more....who cares...we all have issues, deal with it.

[rpccc]

Dear All

I am a new member from England. I am absolutely astounded that the Foos could even consider scabbing on their union brothers and sisters in the WGA.

To those bringing up various complexities lets look at this simply. The WGA are workers in struggle as well as providing the real power behind the scripts of various programmes. They are fighting for better pay and conditions. The Foos are signed up to this Union. The argument is simple, if your Union brothers and sisters are in struggle then you back them-end of story, because one day, if you are divided, the same bosses that attack them may attack you. One day in the future the foos will be old news. At this point they may well be screwed around and ditched by a systemn made bolder by their failure to defend others facing strife. I hope you are all getting this.

I also hope that the band think again because their lyrics and music are great but this all turns to meaningless mush if they scab.

I am also a local councillor in England, here is my comment to our local paper
and whilst in the big wide world I am one small voice I hope it hits a few nerves.......


PRESS RELEASE

Socialist Councillor Rob Windsor a middle aged former fan of the rock band the Foo Fighters
says he will "scratch up his CD collection and turn it into coasters for tea mugs" if the American Band
break the Writers Guild of America Boycott of the forthcoming Grammy Awards.

The left wing councillor has been a fan of the band, led by former Nirvana drummer David Grohl for a number of years.

"Grohl's lyrics and delivery send shivers up the spine and appeared to epitomise struggele and rebellion,their recent
single "The Pretender" had a video featuring riot police charging into people, I remember vividly the violence of the Metropolitan Police in full riot gear when I was at the frontof the picket line at Wapping, aged 22 and about 9 stone and on my own during the strike to defend printworkers jobs. The scenes I saw of defenceless people being peeled off fences by mounted police and beaten viciously by helmeted "Snatch squads" with truncheons had a big effect on me and made me want to do something to change things. Sadly this band seem to want to talk the talk without even the slightest attempt to walk the walk."

"They are abandoning their union sisters and brothers fighting for decent pay and conditions, Grohl has such authority amongst his fans and many young people and could easily
tell the organisers to stuff their posh awards until the Striking Scriptwriters get a decent deal. Whilst my words will undoubtedly have no impact across the Atlantic I sincerely
hope that he and his band think again"

Cllr Windsor went on to say......

"You would never get the likes of the Clash doing this, Joe Strummer died shortly after performing a benefit gig for striking firefighters who were attacked by
the Government and national media just before the Iraq war. In this town we have a band like the Enemy, a young band who pride themselves on their families Union backgrounds at the time of the miners strike. Whilst not nailing their colours to any political mast there music aims
to reflect the conditions we are experiencing now under new labour. Long may they continue.In addition, if the foo fighters scab I urge anyone with any decency to Boycott their gigs and music as they will have proved to be "The Pretenders" and in Times like these they never learned to "Give and give again".

ENDS

Councillor Rob Windsor
Socialist Party Group
St Michaels Ward
Coventry City Council
Council House
Earl Street
Coventry
CV1 5RR

Tel 02476 453793
Mob 07711 779107

Council e mail

Robert.Windsor@coventry.gov.uk

Yours as above

[Darlin' Nikki]

Any artist who crosses a picket line is complicit.

If the Foos were supporting a presidential candidate, that's one thing. I'm not opposed to artists expressing their opinions.

But I am opposed to artists cashing in at the suffering fates of other artists.

Plain and simple - The Foo Fighters and Beyonce (who also is crossing the line) are selling out and undermining a very important cause.
the WGA aren't even striking at the Grammys!!:mad:

[Melly-foo-ous]

Dear All



The Foos are signed up to this Union.

You sure about that?

Your rant is a little late. It's a non issue now. There won't be any picket lines to cross at the Grammys.

[Studmore]

Too late to this argument son...


Guild Says It Won't Picket Grammy Awards

By LYNN ELBER – Jan 22, 2008

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The striking Hollywood writers guild said Tuesday it will refrain from picketing the upcoming Grammy Awards, possibly allowing the music ceremony to escape the fate of the wrecked Golden Globes show.

The guild's board of directors has yet to grant the music industry show a waiver that would allow union writers to work on the ceremony, but the Grammys typically depend more on performances than scripted lines or comedy.

The guild previously said it was unlikely to grant the Recording Academy a waiver for the Feb. 10 show, the music industry's most important event, set to be broadcast live on CBS from Staples Center in Los Angeles.

The writers guild refused to grant a waiver for the Golden Globes and threatened to picket, and the Screen Actors Guild encouraged its stars to stay away as well. As a result, the typically lavish three-hour televised awards extravaganza was reduced to a half-hour, celebrity-free newscast on Jan. 13.

Its audience dropped by 70 percent compared to last year, NBC lost millions in ad revenue, and Globe organizers had to forgo a reported $6 million license fee.

Recording Academy President Neil Portnow said his organization was pleased with the decision not to picket and added the awards "will focus solely on the great music, artists and charitable work resulting from our show."

The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, which represents actors, singers, dancers and others, also lauded the decision.

AFTRA President Roberta Reardon called the awards "a crucial platform for the Recording Academy's ongoing efforts to protect and advance the rights of musical artists."

Portnow had insisted the Grammys would continue no matter what — and Beyonce and the Foo Fighters announced they still plan to perform at the event. There had been speculation that some musicians would sit out a picketed broadcast, especially top-level pop superstars who are also actors.

The decision against picketing the Grammys was made during a union board meeting on Monday, guild spokesman Neal Sacharow told The Associated Press. He declined to comment on the reason for the decision.

The decision was disclosed on the same day nominees were announced for next month's Academy Awards, which also is threatened by the writers strike. The guild has said it would not grant a waiver for the Oscars, the film industry's biggest promotional showcase.

Guild waivers were granted for this Sunday's Screen Actors Guild Awards and the NAACP Image Awards, held earlier this month.

A guild official cited the historic role the civil rights group has played in labor struggles in explaining the reason for the Image Awards waiver.

[SnenFoo]

Rule one of postboards: If you are late to the party, read the last page first....may save yourself time and energy.

sign,
always late and lazy

[ZaHayNa]

The Foo Fighters announced earlier this week they'd cross WGA picket lines to perform at the Grammys on February 10.

This is REALLY LAME. The writers are in a very serious situation and all artists should respect each other in times like these.

ANYONE who crosses a WGA picket line is a DOUCHEBAG.

Hey Dave & Co. - You guys should reconsider and not play at the Grammys. Perform a benefit concert for the striking writers instead.Hey fuck off! The world doesn't stop spinning because some writers are pissed off at their wage. People around them still have to make a living. How many crews of shows etc are sitting around not getting paid right now? Feel for them, because the writers will certainly get what they want eventually. It's those other poor souls that are gonna have to sell their kids so that can eat food that I'm concerned about...

[ZaHayNa]

I want to see them on the Grammys too, but not at the expense of striking labor.

I actually love the Foos' music, but I can't in good conscience buy their products or support them when they jeopardize the livelihood of thousands of people.Then don't violate your conscience. They don't really need your money, and I don't think any of the other fans here care. And again, there are many other people whose livelihoods are being fucked over because of this strike, and they WON'T recoup any of it when it is settled. I say the Foo should play in support of THEM.

[FOOed For Thought]

Then don't violate your conscience. They don't really need your money, and I don't think any of the other fans here care. And again, there are many other people whose livelihoods are being fucked over because of this strike, and they WON'T recoup any of it when it is settled. I say the Foo should play in support of THEM.

Excellent point. The strike has become counterproductive. Studios and production companies have super-merged to the point where the traditional work-stoppage "strike" doesn't affect them the way it did 25 - 30 years ago. And the ripple effect into other areas not even connected directly to the entertainment business is losing the "hearts and minds" they need to support them. Alternative means of supporting a labor action need to be created to keep up with the times.

Fortunately, not only have the WGA decided not to picket the Grammys, but they granted the Recording Academy a waiver, so WGA writers may work on the show. It's all a non-issue now. And an end to the strike is in sight, since the biggest hurdle in negotiations seems to have been settled.

So what is the remaining bone of contention here - the statement that Dave would have "considered" crossing a WGA picket line? A thought crime? Really? Is that where we're headed now?

Think. While it's still legal.

[Dr Nick Riviera]

wga... dont you just love them...

[roninmodern]

The WGA isn't protesting at the grammy's, they're just not writing for it. The grammy's CAN go on without writers. It really can.

Besides, some bands, (I think FF is one of them) actually talked to the WGA to ask for exceptions.

[Novacane]

The writer's have been protesting for months now. If they really needed the money, they'd be back at work already.

[FOOed For Thought]

Actually...

Last month, Neil Portnow vowed to stage a full-scale Grammy Awards show with or without support from the striking writers guild.

He should have little trouble delivering on that pledge after the Writers Guild of America agreed Monday to let its members work on the show set for Feb. 10.


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